Lessons learned from an atheist
lesson 1:This is perhaps the greatest lesson of my correspondence with Chadwick, and probably the greatest lesson from the Bible itself. IT IS ALL ABOUT OUR FAITH.
The Bible from cover to cover, is essentially about our faith (which is our dependence on Him... for EVERYTHING) This is what God desperately wants from us from the beginning of His Word to the end. This faith is, I think actually the beginning of the "Kingdom of God" that Jesus talks about in the Gospels. Where on this earth is there a better example to us on "being dependent" on someone (parents) than there is with children? Jesus confirms this idea of our faith (dependence) being an intimate part of the "kingdom of God" in Mark 10:14 niv:
When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
It is our daily dependence on Him, regardless of our fleeting feelings, regardless of our circumstances, regardless of the consequences of our faith in action.... this is what starts the "Kingdom of God" right here, right now in our lives. When we have this kind of dependence on Him, then when we do finally come face to face with Him, He won't say "Get away from me, I never knew you". Instead we will feel the glorious consummation in finally meeting our beloved Bridegroom. I also have strong suspicions that ALL of the pieces of the mysterious puzzle of our lives (all of the things we faithfully did in life, along with all of the things we failed to do in fear) will suddenly become illuminated to us, much like flicking on a lightswitch in a dark room.
Doug:Chadwick I want to thank you.Your great "wisdom" has greatly fortified my faith beyond expression.Having a real life illustration of a Biblical fool really brings God's word to life at a new level. (Although there is really no shortage of these fools, I get to get up close and personal and see what makes him "tick" per se.) I am also quite sure that you got an up close look at a non "science" believing "fool" to your wordly eyes.
I am also quite sure that your great "wisdom" has brought you also, much closer to your god.... the "false idol science god"
I will just say this Chadwick:
God equals Truth.
Real Science equals Truth.
Chadwick's "false idol science" equals "Objective" observation under the presupposition that a God or a creator does not and cannot exist, thus generating seriously logically flawed data and then rendering incorrect conclusions. (Otherwise known as Non Truth).
To add, medical "science" filtered through the multi billion dollar controlledIndustry "objectiveness" is an especially "truth" filled science.
The subsequent undeniable "killing machine" offers the ultimate testimony and epic level Truth to the existence of an evil entity. (Or an anti God, if you will )
And yes Chadwick, my pastor is a liar and yes Chadwick he is also delusional, because after all of course, your "science" tells us that. (Wouldn't a REAL science at least keep my pastor's claims as one of several potential hypotheses? Just sayin...)
Chadwick, I know your idiotic foolish response before you even utter it. THIS illustrates and speaks to the "majestic Creator" I was talking about.
You will probably say "but I can know TOO what "biblical idiocy" YOU will say." I know you can Chadwick, because you actually have the Truth written on your heart. But my response and thoughts are based on REAL science which admits at the very least the possibility of a Creator or God. Your thoughts are based on a false Religious science that makes itself a god by declaring in "God like absolution" that there is no God. Hmmmmmm....? Whaaaat?
I have refuted all of your points, and I am growing tired of this "talking in circles.". I think pretty much all has been said that can be said.Maybe we should each retreat to our respective God or "Science" corners and shake the dust from our rubber gloves or sandals.
One last thing for you Chadwick, or anyone else who has "ears to hear":
Honestly and objectively learn and evaluate how the world REALLY WORKS and what is REALLY going on in this world, and it will point you to the Biblical God with a sign as wide as the Grand Canyon and as bright as the Sun.
Chadwick:How the world really works, Doug? Here it is, again: http://vimeo.com/100065750(actually watching this video is helpful for understanding the future debate.)
Chadwick, at first glance of your video, although very dramatic, it is rife with quite a few ridiculous assumptions and I'm suspecting misleading statistics. I will have to look further into it, but it strikes me as VERY HEAVY HANDED atheist propaganda.
Yeah, Doug, there were no innocent people washed away in the tsunami that hit Japan. It was all made up.
When all else fails, especially when your beloved science and math actually makes you out to be a fool, then there is always the escape hatch of the appeal to irrational emotion, brow beating and shaming. This, nowadays, has come to be called the "Social justice warrior".
Looking closer at this pathetic atheist propaganda piece,( referring to a video introduced at the end of the last chapter) I am currently even more confused by the ridiculous use of the statistic sited at the beginning of the video. This statement that 9 million children under the age of five die every year. I am really not sure where he gets this number or even what it is... but it "sounds" scary. I'm going to assume it was in regards to India, because that is the best that I can gather given the context of the confusing piece, and what I actually wrote to Chadwick at the time. Watching this video, and understanding the pseudo intellectual appeal to emotion put forth by a typical pride filled atheist really speaks volumes.
Chadwick, I was in no way denegrading the tragedy of the numbers killed in that tsunami.
What WAS happening in that video is... your little pompous prig WAS using big numbers as a sort of browbeating stick for an elicited emotional response of horror. (This is cheap propaganda for sure.) But he wanted to talk numbers, so let's talk some numbers.
Lets do some simple math Chadwick. You know that great scientific thing called math. According to the website Worldbank.org, (http://wdi.worldbank.org/table/2.21 and http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?end=2012)the crude death rate in India in 2012 was 7 souls per 1000 in population.Doing the simple math, that is 7,000 souls per million, then700,000 souls per 100 million, and would you look at that BIG, BAD SCARY number:7 million souls per billion! (Kind of close to what your video is trying to state.)Now the population of India being 1.237 billion, adding the extra almost 25 percent to the 7 million gives us just under 9 million deaths a year in India alone.Now it is interesting that according to the same site, the good old USA has the same... no, even higher crude numbers of deaths per 1000 in population. (This important fact is elaborated upon in a bit.) That is 8 per 1000 in population. Wow!, Your self righteous prig could have used the same kind of numbers! (All be them much smaller by about two thirds, because of the United states' smaller total population) a much less guilty sounding number I am sure, AND Americans who know and understand the numbers of deaths in our own country would never fall for such emotional manipulation). Now granted, the mortality number for Indian Children between birth and five years old IS almost seven times higher than the crude death rate, at 48 per 1000 live births. ( A much too high number indeed , but the mortality rate of this group is always much higher.) I'm going to assume that this is somehow related to where the video gets the 9 million children a year number.
I won't even begin to point out all the idiotic, ignorant and or misleading theological points that your little puke makes, although I can if you would like me to. Chadwick, I will just stick to that wonderful science of mathematics that you love so much.I hope to not sound callous in talking about all these deaths, but I am simply pointing out the undeniable math.
Your little video, Chadwick is an excellent teaching tool on how a propagandist can use scary sounding statistics to elicit a desired emotional response, while at the same time really saying nothing meaningful at all. Bravo!
Doug, your whole argument is about numbers. I dispute your numbers, BUT, even if it's 10 . . . , Just 10, innocent children, ripped from their parents arms, despite their prayers to your god to save them, then it's enough - your god qualifies as a monster. For you to get caught up in the numbers is very telling. You COMPLETELY ignored the fact that your god let the innocent children die, despite the faithful (and I'm sure a mustard seed's worth) prayers of the parents. That you completely missed the point is, well . . . I will let everyone decide for themselves. You've lost this particular line of argument so badly, I actually feel sorry for you.
I wish I would have said: Chadwick, you are, (as the video is doing) really just lamenting the fact that people die, and that you also hate Christian theology. That is all you or your video is REALLY saying.)
I admit to you Chadwick, that it IS a great tragedy , all of the dying Indian children. Please hear me out.
I think what your video was trying to say, which it did somewhat poorly, because I have to guess at what he was saying exactly (or maybe the vid was just poorly edited ) but I'm guessing that the man was saying that there is nine million annual deaths of Indian children age 5 and under. (The math is 8.75 million). I can confirm this by that site I used, World bank. Org. Which said basically that these 0 to five year old children are 7 times more likely to die than the general population. So I am taking this to mean that 7 out of eight deaths in India are these young children.( Thus doing the math 1.237 billion (population) x 7/1000 (crude death rate)x 7/8 (0 to 5 yr olds) equal actually 7.6million.
It is indeed a great tragedy that this many children are dying in India, but it is NOT God killing them. In fact it is the same dark evil force that is killing us Americans in the same proportions (The U.S. HAS THE SAME CRUDE DEATH RATE! - But I'll go back into that in a bit).
These dying children are NOT doomed to Hell, as your video asserts, and anyone who says such a thing is just theologically wrong. (Here is that Freewill thing again ).
Could it be that maybe GOD IS sparing all of these children from SOMETHING? (I'm just guessing)
Now let's get back to this evil killing force that you so rightfully lament. (This anti God, or I will just call it what it is: Satan).
Let's use some of this reason and logic, that you also so rightly adore, on our own great United States.
James (another outside observer/commenter) does urge us to find some common ground. Well here it is:
Now this is where I might have a lot in common with your atheist friend in your video, (but for the exact opposite reason.)
Being that the crude death rate in the USA is also 8 per 1000 born, and the fact that the mortality rate of children in the US is virtually non existent in comparison, what DOES THIS FACT REALLY MEAN?
Well I'm glad you asked.
It means that the adult people in America are being killed off at the SAME Horrific rates as the Indian children.WOW! Did you get that?The adult people in America are being killed off at the SAME Horrific rates as the Indian children. Wow! Where is the righteous indignation of this fact?
Now what IS this thing that is killing all of us adult Americans in Indian child like fashion ?
What is different in America versus India?
Well, here is a simple answer: WESTERN CULTURE.
What is included in western culture?
Well, lets see....diet, lifestyle (intrinsically tied to work), entertainment, art, medicine, and religion. I think that is all the big ones.
Now which ones of these effect health?
Well, undoubtedly it would be diet, medicine and to some extent lifestyle. (I will leave religion out of this list for you.)
I think it quite safe to say then, that it is Western medicine and the Western diet that is doing almost ALL of this killing.
I also submit to you Chadwick that the powers that run and control these two entities are publicly avowed Satanists who publicly, through their own writings and books, admit that they serve their god Lucifer. (So much for leaving religion out of it, I guess.)
I also find it interesting that the biggest foothold that Western medicine has on the Indian Children today is this "loving?" Vaccine program that it thrusts upon Indian children by the "loving" Bill Gates foundation. ( I could go on about the History of Mr. Gates and his father, but I won't.) lt Gives you pause doesn't it?
ch. 18 and Conclusion:
And so there it all goes. I never really heard from Chadwick again after this. This statistical, in your face, undeniable FACT right there for all to see, published in our Government's own statistic reporting web sites. This discovery REALLY was quite disturbing to myself, and I am sure also to an atheist. It points out so starkly, so nakedly, and absolutely makes my point of the Luciferian "population control" agenda.(To use their own euphemism.)
I can somewhat understand and expect this "hiding your head in the sand" denial of TRUTH through silent admission from an atheist. But what REALLY concerns me is that many evangelical Christian types are guilty of THE VERY SAME THING! THIS is maybe the BIGGEST lesson (though the faith lesson of earlier mention is much more important) that I learned from this debating voyage that led my own thinking through mountains and valleys of truths, and misconceptions, and then ultimately over and through the ocean of lies that engulfs and drowns many fellow travellers.
I lament greatly how much Christians in our culture, who claim to believe the Bible, have such an incongruent worldview to that worldview that is put forth by the Bible. The Bible is from cover to cover about the redemptive power of Jesus to turn us into a new Creature... A Son of God. But the Bible is also about Truth. Part of this all inclusive Truth, is knowing that evil exists also, and how it is we can overcome it. Jesus warned us constantly about "the evil one", or the "prince of this world" He often called him. The church horrifically denies how this prince of this world - who took Jesus to the mountaintop and offered to Him all the riches and power "his" earthly kingdom had to offer... if Jesus would just bow down and worship him. Of course Jesus rejected this offer, but the church seems to blindly think that other mere humans throughout history aren't offered the same deal all of the time and haven't taken Satan up on this deal. I'm saddened to say that quite obviously many humans HAVE indeed .... and probably even more of the "leaders" of the church than anyone would even suspect. (Now, THERE is a book that NEEDS to be written.)
This simple idea explains basically everything that our world faces today, and has always faced. But sadly it seems that the church today would rather just not believe it's own Bible than have to face the Truth... and they now let their hearts run cold out of fear (lack of faith) This fearing of their Government more than their God... and a love of convenience. ( Relating, I think to our Soul killing pride that leads to our selfishness.)
Now back to the atheist and the state of his heart. I will just conclude by saying that the very sad, heartbreaking part about all of this is that Chadwick's heart, I think was so very close to turning over. Even though he would never allow himself to admit it, even to his own brain. His pride really being the only last roadblock. His pride was REALLY the ONLY thing that kept him from truly seeing that he is no different than any of the rest of us.
We all have fears. We all have fears we don't even know that we have. We all have fears deep in the deepest of our hearts that we know God can't even heal. We all have Sins that we despise. Some sins that we don't even know we have. Some sins that we sense, deep in the deepest of our hearts that God can never forgive. We all even have sins that we know God's Word says are sins, but we have a hard time believing it. We all have things about our personalities that we hate. Some faults that we don't even know we have. Some of them that we know in the deepest of our hearts that God can never change.
Chadwick alluded to all of this several times in talking about and berating MY fears. Which he knows, are no different than his own or anyone else's fears on this planet . The only real difference being what I think is illustrated beautifully in Psalm 13, when David, right after lamenting how God seems to hide His face from him and how he wrestles with his own thoughts goes on to say those heart turning, contrite, submitting, not prideful, two words : " but I"... :Psalm 13.5-6.NIV
...But I trust in your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in your salvation. I will sing the Lord praise, for he has been good to me.
Its very interesting I think that the very next verse. Psalm 14:1 says:" The fool says in his heart, there is no God".
God's LIVING Word Is so AMAZING!
It's when we have the daily decision to have faith in the power of the Lord, despite our own numerous imperfections. It is the daily reliance on HIM that God so desperately desires from us. It is in THIS that we find one day suddenly, that we no longer have some of those fears. We discover one day that we don't have some of those sins. We find one day that we don't have some of those personality faults. We find one day that we can suddenly see those hidden fears. We can actually see those hidden faults. We can actually see those hidden sins. And then, praise God, one day... we also find that those sins that we knew God couldn't forgive, those fears we knew God couldn't heal, those personality traits that we knew God couldn't fix... suddenly we know deep in our deepest of hearts that God CAN, and He WILL someday do All of those things.
This is the path to righteousness that we inherit as the "Sons of God" . It IS "The Kingdom of God" that starts right here on Earth.