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"I know not from whence ye came" -
I am always so intrigued when I come across a verse in the Bible that seems confusing, or goes againhst what I have always thought that I knew. It always results in some amazing illumination to me when I investigate it.
Today, I came across another one of those verses. Though, in this instance, it involves a few plain words that Jesus plainly says. Some plainly spoken words, that for me, and I think MOST Christians, don't notice as being very pertinent, or don't think they mean anything at all. I didn't. Until today, when I finally noticed it. It occurs during Jesus' talking about who shall enter the narrow gate, when someone asks him in Luke Chapter 13: "Lord, is it only a few people who will be saved?"
"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' "But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' "Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!' "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.
Luke 13:24-28 NIV
Did you notice it?
Jesus says that the owner of the house says, "I don't know you OR where you come from.". It is this "where you come from" that is the part that we always seemed to ignore, and it is what caught my eye. Jesus then even repeats this exact expression , in case we miss it. Which I still did anyways, Lol ....until today. Our mind always concentrates on the other part of it. After all, it fits well with the following verse:
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Matthew 7:22-23 NIV
But, for our Creator God to say "I don't know where you come from ", isn't that quite odd? Here's a few quick things worth considering :
Is it just a translational thing?
The KJV translation says "I know you not whence ye are".
"whence" being defined as:
From what place or source.
"Whence does Congress derive this power?"
From which; from where.
"The Ural mountains, whence the ore is procured")
The NASB translation of this verse even skips the first part of that text and just says: "I don't know where you are from".
And the ESV translation: "I do not know where you come from".
Or, one might argue that Jesus' story was talking strictly of just an earthly, or here on earth "master degree(or owner) of the house", but that doesn't fit with Jesus' direct answering of that original direct question. It also fits quite nicely with Jesus' statement:
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
John 14: 1-3 NIV
In this, Jesus clearly speaks of the after life, or at least the Kingdom of God, in regards to some kind of "house" that we enter.
What IS odd, is The Creator God saying "He doesn't know WHERE we come from". After all, we are told that we indeed ARE well known by HIM, in our origination. Like this verse in Isaiah:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
And from David's Psalm:
Excerpt from Psalm 139 ( verses 13 - 16)
"You made my whole being;
You formed me in my mother's body. I praise you because you made me in an amazing and wonderful way.
What you have done is wonderful.
I know this very well. You saw my bones being formed as I took shape in my mother's body.
When I was put together there,
you saw my body as it was formed.
All the days planned for me
were written in your book before I was one day old."
So what gives here?
There are three possible lines of thought on this, as far as I can discern.
One being along the lines of When Jesus says to the Pharisees:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. "
John 8:44 kjv
In his line of thought, though, Jesus seems to have a very good idea of the "where" such a person is from.
Is it in this light that Jesus is just figuratively saying that the master doesn't know that you come from the Spirit of God? As John 1:13 says. Hence they are born "from", or "of"the devil.
Yet, to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
John 1:12-13 NIV
A second line of thought might be in regards to a person's lineage. Something that the Pharisees, and really all the Jewish people of Jesus' day were very much concerned about. The many writings of the Apostle Paul consistently dispels this idea of needing to be of a certain bloodline to "enter through the doorway". As well as Jesus, almost in anticipation of such arguments, immediately after the sited verse in question, says:
"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God.
Luke 13:28-29 NIV
This seemed to be very inclusive of ANY bloodline lineage, and certainly not just the lineage of the Pharisees, or the people of Israel. (Although I might concede that Jesus may be referring here only to the Jews of dubious heritage that He mentions a few times in the Revelation. It is even more interesting that Jesus, in His letter to the "Faithful to the end" church of Philadelphia,that He speaks of an OPEN door for THAT church to go through, right before speaking of the false Jews ("I don't know from whence ye came"???) :
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 3:8-9 KJV
Does the Master of the house not know where somebody comes from, because He (God) did NOT have His direct hand in creating the entity? Or "form them in their mother's womb"? Was this a little clue that Jesus was talking of future TRANS HUMANS? Those "humans" conceived and/or grown outside their mother's wombs? Or in a test tube, or somehow biologically engineered? Or even, like in the case of that recently rolled out (and strangely granted citizenship) robot in Saudi Arabia named Sophie... A creature that is a straight up, scientifically engineered entity. And who's name is NOT written in HIS Book.
It is also undeniable,I think, that Jesus was in fact speaking of the end times in this passage. Where else would someone see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and ALL of the prophets at the same time?
I am of the mindset that every single word of God's living, breathing, loving Word is there for a very specific and glorious reason. This idea probably bolstered by the verse of Jesus saying:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5 :17-18 NIV
Would not, "fulfilling the law" include EVERYTHING that Jesus said while He was here on earth? Everything ... Which would most likely include "the Word" or Jesus' words predicting today's imminently appearing prospect of human-like creatures being "born" outside a mother's womb?
So how might this warning to us from Jesus, about the master of the house not knowing "WHERE one comes from", apply to today's world?
We are aware of the idea of "Don't take the number of the Beast", in regards to end times as seen in the light of the coming TRANS humanism. But, in the "right here, right now" immediate future, what might this mean? ... It is interesting that Humanity is becoming more and more sterile, at least in the Western world, having more and more troubles with fertility. Now add to this, the coming wireless 5G technology, the technology that most enlightened scientists and truth speakers are decrying as massively DNA corrupting, sterilizing, and cancer causing. The resultant massive deaths, coupled with the Western World's desperate need to proliferate, will undoubtedly necessitate more and more "humans" born outside of wombs.
Are we coming soon to a day when it will not just be the master or owner of the house saying "I don't know WHERE you come from"!
Even in more support of the verse there is nothing new under the sun, the idea of "Where do you come from?" that Jesus illustrated was also applied to a Trans human agenda even in the days of Joshua Ch 9. There are many Biblical scholars who believe that the tribes that Joshua wiped out were actually DNA tampered with creatures, spawned by the things alluded to in Genesis chapter 6.
Here is a great article related to all of that:
From a Christian's perspective, maybe we aren't quite as close to a 'coming of the Son of Man" as some may expect, given the large numbers of people Jesus seems to be warning us about as having dubious origination or "where they come from". Of course, this is merely conjecture on my part, based upon a single verse. Here is another interesting question: If these "people" aren't created in their mother's wombs, do they even have souls? And if they don't have souls, then why, or HOW can they be standing at the "pearly gates" of heaven, or even at the Judgement seat IN heaven... Unless the Kingdom of Heaven has really, ultimately, come down to earth. This is much like the message of some theologians like N.T Wright, who suggest that the part of the Lord's prayer that says "on earth (or in earth) as it is in Heaven", means JUST THAT.
I'm sure there is more to be revealed to us about that in the future. In this light, it is also interesting that the word "Apocalypse" actually comes from a Greek word that REALLY does mean "revealing or unveiling". Interesting and exciting times we are in. Glory, Hallelujah, His Truth is marching on.
Maybe this take is based upon a misinterpretation on my part caused by the existing interpretation of the original Greek into English. I would love to hear from someone more knowledgeable than myself in the subtleties and richness of the Greek language in this regard. Perhaps, even to show me how this take is not, or may not be quite right. If anyone can show to me how any of my perceptions of truth are incorrect, I am always eternally grateful.
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