I'm actually pulling this from one of your other threads, because I'd rather keep everything in the topic that is currently active. I hope that's allowed.
In the thread you started about the same topic with the Clint Eastwood title, you say:
carpenterdaughter wrote:I have some questions for you, Extraordinary, that I truly hope you will answer.
Who do you believe Jesus is and what do you believe was the purpose of His death?
If people could make themselves righteous through their actions, why did it please God to put Christ to death?
Hi, c_d ...
I'll try to summarize ...Jesus died in our place for our past sins @ our time of being born again.
God's grace (unmerited favor) is extended to us @ that time,but this grace is "on trial" from then on. Sorry.
BACs are supposed to be SO eternally grateful, that they will choose
to agree to co-operate with their sanctification-unto-holiness process.Holiness and perfection is what the NT calls for.
Care to see the verses?
Also, care to see the verses that say some people were righteous
in God's eyes BEFORE Jesus went to the cross, e.g. Zechariah and Liz?
If people can be righteous w/o the Holy Spirit, BACs have NO excuse not to be!
Now, how 'bout commenting on the re-hash?
I'd like to comment on your "re-hash."
The people who were righteous in God's eyes before Jesus went to the cross were righteous on account of their FAITH, and NOT their own deeds. It was NOT their own righteousness. It was CHRIST'S righteousness that covered them. They just had the FAITH to believe that God would provide a better way. Thus the verse below that says their faith was credited to them as righteousness.Romans 4:1-3: What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
If Christ's death on the cross was only for our sins to the point at which we believed, then Christ's sacrifice was not 100% complete. If Christ sacrifice on the cross was not 100% complete, then why do we not have to sacrifice animals for our sins after we become Christians? After all, all sins require a blood sacrifice, and if God's death on the cross only covered sins to the point at which we believed, then there was not a blood sacrifice for those sins, and we must continue to offer blood sacrificed.
Now, I know you like to use the verse 1 John 1:9 as an argument for your position. 1 John 1:9 states: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." One, that verse says ALL unrighteousness, not all PAST unrighteousness. But let's overlook that point for just a second and assume it means what you claim, that we must confess all sin. Let's also ignore the requirement of a blood sacrifice for each sin, and assume that asking forgiveness is in place of the blood sacrifice.
Does this mean that if we sin and then die before we can confess that sin we go to hell, even if we are Christians? If so, then, again, Christ's sacrifice was not only incomplete, but in vein. If we have to confess each and every sin, then that is extremely legalistic and very much works based. We then must rely on our own memories to confess sin.
Do we have to confess each specific sin, or is a general "Lord, please forgive me of sins I have committed today" sufficient?
Finally, we all know that not everyone agrees on what is sin. Some denominations believe that dancing is a sin. Some believe that using instruments in worship is sin. The Amish believe that using technology is sin. I know I'm taking this to the extreme, and I don't believe this, (obviously, or I wouldn't be on the computer
), but what if they are right? What if those things ARE actually sin? Then each of us, you included, is engaging in habitual sin. If God's sacrifice on the cross did not cover ALL sins, past, present, and future, then we cannot claim ignorance. Sin is sin, and if we used the computer right before we died and didn't confess, then we were sinning habitually and, according to what you seem to be saying, we won't be in heaven.
Can you address these issues I see with your view, or correct me if I am interpreting your view incorrectly?