Really? So the Bible isn't timeless anymore? WE,the believers living in the 21st century where moral degradation has reached new heights, are going to interpret scripture to fit, or out of, the modern thought of our day? Well, personally, I'm not going there. The idea of viewing, and transcribing scripture in the light of modern thought is fraught with problems, IMO. In that case, I guess we would take Titus 1:5,6 which currently reads,We can quote to doomsday from the NT in regard to women being ordained or given the right to preach but we have to interpret in the light of modern thought.
and read it as, "if any person is above reproach (by what standards?), is the husband of one wife, or the wife of one husband...."For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion...
Jonathan also said:
Again I say, REALLY? So, um, why didn't God set it up this way at the start then? Yes, the scripture is clear that there were women leaders in the church, none-the-less it is also clear that in general men were the pastors. However, when the lists of the gifts of the Spirit are given there is no gender mentioned in regards to who gets what gifts - such as prophets, teacher, evangelists, etc, but to say that women are better equipped to be Pastors seem really off base to me.They (women) are, by the very nature of their sex, far better equipped to be Priests or Pastors.
Listen, I said earlier in this discussion that we have 2 women elders in my baptist church and I respect and admire both of them. Although I have not definietly settled the matter in my mind about whether the scripture allows for women elders, IMO (which doesn't count when we're considering scripture) having men and women elders is a good idea. As Jonathan said, women have a different perspective on many issues and, in light of modern times, it is probably good to have women dealing with women's and children's issues. I suppose we could consider the women elders to be deaconesses which would somehow make it better. But not really if we consider that I Timothy 3 speaks repeatedly of a deacon being a man.
Listen, I really am not making any strong judgment as to the position of women as elders. I do think there is context and culture to consider when looking at scripture, but I am hesitant to agree that we have to interpret scripture in light of modern thought. Perhaps modern thought is completely off base and interpreting scripture to suit it seems unwise.
OK, so what do we do with passages like I Corinthians 14:34-36 and I Timothy 3, and even Titus 1:5,6? I don't know. Moderation. A case by case basis? How do we choose what portions of scripture are simply cultural and subject to interpretation through a cultural lens? Very carefully.