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The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

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The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby Heartsinger » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:03 pm

Hey

I'm not on here much but I felt I'd like other's perspective on the last week Writing Challenge In the Deep End.

Most articles I read (about 20) were about being rescued from the terror, panic, overwhelming aspects of feeling being in over the head in some area - or God rescuing a person from the Deep end.

This just isn't my personal experience (not that God hasn't rescued me in the past) but that when I am overwhelmed, in over my head, in the deep - God has revealed Himself to me THERE... I've even felt Him pull me under in some cases to get away from the storm on the surface and to be held in the deep until I learned how to LIVE there....

Any others out there who have been met by God in Sheol....who have experienced Him more in cloud and darkness than bright sunshiny days? :?:

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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby jo555 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:42 am

I hear ya and yes, I don't believe it isn't always for us to be saved from. Jesus first walked on water before He calmed the storm (just one example).

I think this fits into what I see also with the challenges we face.

I believe God will give us our hearts desire and life can be rosy and such if we so desire. For all believers? I won't put God in a box, but I believe He can do this and does this, but when we turn to Him and say, "I want your heart's desire and will . . ." then we become living sacrifices and partake of the Lord's sufferings . . . partake of his cup there.

I pretty much got what I wanted out of life, until my heart's song changed to, "I want all my desires to be your desires and use me as you see fit." Well then, it was as if I had a target on my back and hell came after me (even if in part), but God uses it. Nothing worked as it used to for me. And yes, He is there awaiting in the deep. He knows how to balance the scales as He sees fit.

And I think eventually we are all to change our song as we more and more see that nothing in life really matters and has any real significance, except Him, and what we do for Him, out of love for Him foremost, and then for others as ourselves.

Will look to add scripture later as this is the theological section.

Because I am short on time these days, I will probably just pull old articles I may have written on the topic and post here, because in them I reference scriptures.

Thanks for sharing. Did you write an article on the topic for the challenges, one about God rescuing / meeting you in the deep, not out of it? Would have been a nice twist.
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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby carpenterdaughter » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:04 am

Heartsinger,
I didn't get opportunity to write for "The Deep End" challenge, but--like you--if I had, it would have been as one who met Him there in the dark waters. Don't "count it strange," my friend. Many, many "saints" know what this "deep" is without knowing exactly how to name it. Some call it "the dark night of the soul." I have read that even Charles Spurgeon knew these times . . .

I am careful as I write about it--not willing to offer it up to what we humans are apt to do and make it something that becomes a piece of "pop culture," even in the world of Christendom. But, it IS--it simply is . . .and for myself, I would say that something lasting and solid and bigger than me happens to me when I find myself in the belly of the whale. Trying to explain what it is to be there while also going about the daily business of living life among others is a task that I am not so sure I will ever be able to accomplish, but I don't know if we need to . . .

They're not gonna get us out anyway--and do we really, really want them to? Something's happening there . . . His Grace makes you to walk among others while your soul is germinating in dark places. Have you ever read about what has to happen to a magnolia seed before it can sprout? Do that some time.

I love magnolia trees, but they're pretty rare, as far as trees go in my neck of the woods, and when they reach maturity--Man! What beautiful and fragrant blossoms!

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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby Heartsinger » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:13 pm

Thanks for the responses

I did write an article - or rather poem
It's here
http://www.faithwriters.com/wc-article- ... p?id=48137

Appreciate your input greatly
Have an awesome day!

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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby jo555 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:14 pm

Heartsinger wrote:Thanks for the responses

I did write an article - or rather poem
It's here
http://www.faithwriters.com/wc-article- ... p?id=48137

Appreciate your input greatly
Have an awesome day!

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Very nice, and loved the ending. It reminds me of the time (a very painful time) I was in bed telling the Lord that I had no faith, but I still believed that He loved me and was good. (I was brought up in the faith movement that went off its root).

I didn't hear Him speak, but I felt that He was telling me, "Now you got it. That's faith."

As Job said, "Although He slay me, yet will I trust in Him."

Thanks for sharing your lovely poem.
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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby jo555 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:23 pm

Well, I said I would share so here one is. Again, for scripture reference as once I was asked to share scripture . . . was being lazy about that, and I get it because this is the theological section. This piece also shares some things I can associate with the experience.


A Christmas Message: Giving Birth to Jesus

“How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

~Luke 1:34-36
 

On that very special and very first Christmas Eve, humanity and the world at large was on the brink of receiving the most precious gift of all. It came equipped with passionate love, lowly humility, and was wrapped in the weakness of humanity. A child was about to be born unto us, delivered by the hands of God, and through the womb of a young woman named Mary.

This perfect gift was no ordinary child. This child was the Son of God. Emmanuel (Jesus), God with us.

For a season Jesus left his privileged life in his Father’s home so that He may also become Son of man; to deliver us from our present darkness and make a way for us to come home. His mission was full of sorrows for He bore our pain and sufferings, carried our weaknesses and sins, and was rejected and despised by many, even among his own people.

This would also cost Him his dear life, but when He had poured out his soul even unto death He would find satisfaction in seeing his Seed grow and his Father’s will prosper in his hands. Furthermore, since he took on our humanity, becoming intimately acquainted with it, He has become our perfect advocate who intercedes for us according to Father's will.

Through his passionate love for his Father, and his labor of love for humanity, his Seed now lives in all who will come to believe and receive Him. Now we, like Mary, can give birth to the life of Jesus through the gift of his Holy Spirit. This glorious miracle takes place in us because He came, died, and rose again.

John 12:23-28

Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. Father, glorify your name!”

Saint, what is it that grieves your heart? Do not fear the labor pains that come from the longer route of walking out your humanity. Instead, take it to the Lord so that his Spirit can birth the life of Jesus implanted in you. Truly, our present sufferings are but a light affliction that is greatly overshadowed in the joy of new birth; a labor of love (for more see: Our "Rubber to Road" Experience).

This is the new way Father paved for us. He gave us the most precious gift of all in giving us the gift of his Holy Spirit through the gift of his Son Jesus. In turn we are then given the awesome privilege of allowing his Spirit to birth the life of Jesus in and through us. This gift cannot be earned, we receive it as we come into faith in Jesus.

This Christmas, and always, may we give thanks for the most blessed gift of Jesus. God with us is truly the greatest gift of all that resides in every believer through the most blessed gift of his Holy Spirit.

If you haven't accepted this precious gift from our Heavenly Father, believe and receive it for now is the day of salvation. If you don't find the desire and belief inside your heart, ask Him for it, then allow Him to open your heart as He pleases. Don't despair if it doesn't happen instantly. Keep asking, seeking, and knocking...and the door will be opened as He sees fit. Just don't do his part, it is a gift to be received.

Happy Birthday Jesus,

and Merry Christmas to all.
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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby Heartsinger » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:56 am

Thanks for sharing!
Yes, to be reborn everyday, every moment, into Jesus.

Birth is messy, and painful for all parties. But so worth it!

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Re: The Deep - To be rescued from or to be met in?

Postby jo555 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:02 pm

Heartsinger wrote:Thanks for sharing!
Yes, to be reborn everyday, every moment, into Jesus.

Birth is messy, and painful for all parties. But so worth it!


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