extraordinary wrote: extraordinary wrote:
jo555 wrote:I don't think you are totally wrong Extraordinary, I just don't see exactly eye to eye.
And, I would say you are in serious error if you don't believe that
we only enter into the promises of God by grace through faith in Jesus.
Of course, we enter into God's promises ONLY
by grace through faith in Jesus.
Sorry, I prefer the bold caps.
That's how we enter.
But, what about the rest of our lives?
Okay, we're constantly entering until we die!
So, you're correct ... OSAS.
The process of sanctification is an act of faith too, but yes, we do have our minor role and I believe how we respond to God affects our personal growth / clock.
Again, I see in these circles. I believe God also has his time clock and within that time clock is our personal clock based on how we respond to God.
We are being sanctified . . . this is the ongoing process, by grace through faith in Jesus and it is our cooperation with that process that plays a minor role in what God is doing.
Here is piece from a book I wrote that will explain how I see it:
After finishing their meal they ordered two cups of coffee and Alex continued, "Only Jesus opens the eyes of the blind and the ears of the deaf . . . and not just speaking of physical healing or even seeing into the spiritual realm for true seeing and hearing comes from a heart connected to Father God’s found in Christ; a heart awakened to Him and his love. Understand?"
"Yes, I believe I do," Sarah replied.
"Are you familiar with football?" he asked.
"I know the basics," she answered with curiosity.
"That should do. We are all progressively growing up into the full stature of Christ. We won’t get there on our own. We are parts to his body and need each other. Teammates, yet we can be like the blind man in the bible that needed two touches from Jesus because with the first touch he was seeing men as trees. So God first begins to open our eyes, we score a touchdown, then we can opt for another neighborhood that may look different on the outside and the cause may seem more noble, but if we’re not coming from abiding in Jesus by trusting in Him, it’s more of the same thing with a different disguise."
"I can see that Alex."
"Sarah, I’m not saying we shouldn’t leave. The Lord can show each of us where He wants us during different phases in the process. Remember that after the man received his sight, Jesus sent him another way. Sometimes we do have to leave for a time, and even sit the bench with Jesus before He calls us back on field, whether there or elsewhere. We just need to realize it’s the same playing field, all of us falling short of the glory of God and if we aren’t remaining in Christ and his heart of love, we won’t rise above it all and we’ll continue with the wrong plays. I believe it can even be worse if from there we commit a major foul by looking down at our neighbors in self-righteousness, and begin throwing stones at them. The mote and beam Sarah. We try and remove motes out of their eyes when we are blindsided by the beams in our own. A beam is so much bigger than a mote and it may just speak of the condition of our hearts. We think we’ve scored the grand touchdown that won the game, but we actually fumble the ball when we don’t keep trusting Jesus to do the work in and through us, then we go and foul others."
"Romans 11," Sarah offered excitedly as the pieces began falling into place.
"That’s right, Romans 11. I like to think of the football as the grace and faith that comes from God by which He works in our personal lives, and in the corporate body of Christ for his greater purposes. There is personal growth and corporate growth. In our personal lives we have personal enrichment where we become pro players in the NFL. Then there is growing up corporately into the full stature of Christ for his greater purposes, the Super Bowl. For our personal lives we are told that grace is given to the humble. No humility, no grace to see us through, yet there’s also grace for the corporate body and what God is doing to bring about his larger purpose. For instance, in Romans 11 Paul speaks of the remnant of Israel chosen and kept by God’s grace. Corporately, all his chosen are still being kept by his grace and faithfulness for even if we are unfaithful, He remains faithful to us and his goal, which takes us to Romans 8. There we are told that God is bringing his children into his glory. We are being conformed into the image of Jesus and other scriptures tell us why. It isn’t just for our benefit. God loves everyone dearly and He wants to display his glory through his chosen vessels so that all would see it and come to Him. That’s the goal. Are you following me so far or shall I call a time out?"
"No, no. I’m fine. I can see it." Sarah was beaming. "Go on and make the pass to the receiver Alex because I’m receiving it."
Alex laughed at that, realizing she really was receiving it. "Very
well . . . Romans 11 gives the game plan by which he achieves the goal. Jesus is our root, the vine that upholds the branches. As we continue to trust in Jesus to do the work in and through us, his Sap, the Holy Spirit, brings forth his fruits: joy, love, peace, longsuffering . . . John 15 and Galatians 5. So God’s love is both kind and severe. Kind if we keep trusting in Jesus, but He will use severe means if we fumble the ball. It’s all filtered through his great love for us for God is love. The book of Hebrews tells us He is a consuming fire. He burns all the wood and hay we’ve come to trust in over Him. He’s a jealous God ablaze with love and intent on having a bride refined in his fiery love where her love for Him will come out purified and whole-hearted. We need not fear the fire or waters for He has said He will walk with us and we will not be consumed. Just like Jesus saved us from an awful collision. Just like Jesus carried you through that angry crowd. Just like Jesus was with Reuben as Reuben was partaking of his sufferings.
In short Sarah, our journeys may take on different appearances, but it’s all the same if we haven’t gone higher, or deeper if you prefer, into the heart of God by grace through faith in Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. It is truly a humble position to know that we cannot do it without Jesus. That’s humility, and from that place we are given his grace to see us through. Our neighbor-to-neighbor relationships are suppose to help us relate to each other and as such we can be the royal priesthood we’ve been called to be, bringing ourselves and each other before the throne of God. Unfortunately, rather than playing on Jesus’ team, we can end up blindsided and playing on the enemy’s opposing team. He’s always trying to intercept the ball and go on the offensive, but we need not worry about him. If we will just continue to listen to our Head Coach Jesus and keep our eyes on Him, we will remain playing offensively instead of trying to gain ground from the defensive end. And the game is not just about us. Hebrews 11 and 12 tells us there is a great cloud of witnesses in the audience that have gone before us. They are awaiting the end of the game for only with us will they also attain the grand prize, perfection and co-heirs with Jesus Christ. So, we really need to rid ourselves of anything that hinders and entangles us. It’s going to be a great wedding feast Sarah."
~Anyway, gotta go, but hope it helps with the "within God's circle (will, time clock) thing".
People may be right in their own eyes, but the Lord looks upon the heart - Proverbs