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There Must Be an Explanation for an Apparent Contradiction

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There Must Be an Explanation for an Apparent Contradiction

Postby lish1936 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:10 pm

I just finished reading through Joshua, and found this head scratcher in the final chapter: :book2

Joshua 24:14: Now, therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord!


Joshua 24:19: But Joshua said to the people, "You cannot serve the Lord, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.

Initially, Joshua admonishes them to serve, and then he tells them they cannot.
Since there's a period between verse 19 and verse 20 instead of a comma, verse 20 does not seem to be conditional.

Anyone want to take a stab at an explanation for what seems to be a contradiction?

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Re: There Must Be an Explanation for an Apparent Contradicti

Postby violin4jesus » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:29 am

There are three rules for Biblical interpretation:
1. Context
2. Context
3. Context

1 Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the elders, the heads, the judges, and the officers of Israel. And they presented themselves before God. 2 And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates,[a] Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods. 3 Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many. I gave him Isaac. 4 And to Isaac I gave Jacob and Esau. And I gave Esau the hill country of Seir to possess, but Jacob and his children went down to Egypt. 5 And I sent Moses and Aaron, and I plagued Egypt with what I did in the midst of it, and afterward I brought you out.

6 “‘Then I brought your fathers out of Egypt, and you came to the sea. And the Egyptians pursued your fathers with chariots and horsemen to the Red Sea. 7 And when they cried to the Lord, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians and made the sea come upon them and cover them; and your eyes saw what I did in Egypt. And you lived in the wilderness a long time. 8 Then I brought you to the land of the Amorites, who lived on the other side of the Jordan. They fought with you, and I gave them into your hand, and you took possession of their land, and I destroyed them before you. 9 Then Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, arose and fought against Israel. And he sent and invited Balaam the son of Beor to curse you, 10 but I would not listen to Balaam. Indeed, he blessed you. So I delivered you out of his hand. 11 And you went over the Jordan and came to Jericho, and the leaders of Jericho fought against you, and also the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. And I gave them into your hand. 12 And I sent the hornet before you, which drove them out before you, the two kings of the Amorites; it was not by your sword or by your bow. 13 I gave you a land on which you had not labored and cities that you had not built, and you dwell in them. You eat the fruit of vineyards and olive orchards that you did not plant.’

14 “Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. 15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

16 Then the people answered, “Far be it from us that we should forsake the Lord to serve other gods, 17 for it is the Lord our God who brought us and our fathers up from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, and who did those great signs in our sight and preserved us in all the way that we went, and among all the peoples through whom we passed. 18 And the Lord drove out before us all the peoples, the Amorites who lived in the land. Therefore we also will serve the Lord, for he is our God.”

19 But Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the Lord, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins. 20 If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm and consume you, after having done you good.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the Lord.” 22 Then Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the Lord, to serve him.” And they said, “We are witnesses.” 23 He said, “Then put away the foreign gods that are among you, and incline your heart to the Lord, the God of Israel.” 24 And the people said to Joshua, “The Lord our God we will serve, and his voice we will obey.” 25 So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day, and put in place statutes and rules for them at Shechem. 26 And Joshua wrote these words in the Book of the Law of God. And he took a large stone and set it up there under the terebinth that was by the sanctuary of the Lord. 27 And Joshua said to all the people, “Behold, this stone shall be a witness against us, for it has heard all the words of the Lord that he spoke to us. Therefore it shall be a witness against you, lest you deal falsely with your God.” 28 So Joshua sent the people away, every man to his inheritance.

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The people swore they would serve the Lord. Joshua reminded the people that God would turn against them if they broke His covenant, so the context of Joshua's apparent contradiction is that he was recalling their pattern of sin and pointing out God's holiness. They chose to serve the Lord, but they could not, because they loved their sin and idolatry more.

Thus we see one of the first indications of God's plan of salvation: because we CANNOT serve the Lord & obey His laws, He cannot forgive our sins, for He is holy. But Jesus took our just punishment upon Himself and imputed His righteousness to those of us who believe, so that God can justify us and forgive us.

Through the lens of the Gospel, even the confusing parts of the OT make perfect sense.

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Re: There Must Be an Explanation for an Apparent Contradicti

Postby mikeedwards » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:15 am

Great Answer! It is awesome to see how much Biblical knowledge is in this place.
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Re: There Must Be an Explanation for an Apparent Contradicti

Postby lish1936 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:29 am

Wow! That makes so much sense. I agree with Mike. What an awesome response.

Thanks so much for clearing that up. I knew there was an answer.

And I couldn't agree with you more about context. So many times we take one or two scriptures and try to exegete/understand them without considering the whole of Scripture.

Blessings,

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