Come forth wrote:Hey Paula, I'm sorry if what I said seemed offensive and personal. It was not meant as such.
Thank you Graham, you didn't need to apologize but I'm grateful that you have.
My point relates to the main theme of this thread. When we claim that we are unable to make a choice of our own we ignore all the Scriptures that tell us we must choose to follow God; and there are bucket loads of them. When we claim it is all by our own choice we also ignore all of the Scriptures that tell us He is the Author and finisher of our faith; another army of bucket carriers are needed here too.
I agree completely. I just want you to consider the fact that I haven't come to certain theological conclusions based on my ego, and only cherry picking, if you will, the texts that seem to justify my view. And although I do take a stance on this subject (God is sovereign over salvation) it does not mean I claim to understand everything about the hows and whys, nor do I believe I will ever be able to fully comprehend it. Just as other doctrines, which I'm sure you take a stance on - God being three in One for example, cannot be fully understood by finite minds but there is more than enough evidence in the Bible for believers to confidently be able to affirm its truth.
When you use the word "ignore" as you did above, you are presupposing something which is not true in my case, and many others who have the reformed view. As a matter of fact, the majority of reformers I know didn't begin that way, most (like myself) were brought kicking and screaming the entire way. When you use the word "ignore" you negate the years I have spent in blood, sweat, and tears pouring over all the text, considering both sides, and spending much more time on those passages which seem to contradict than not - the total opposite of ignoring.
And because of all of this, (not without much prayer as well) I have found what I believe to be enough evidence in the Bible to take a stance. I believe all those "scriptures which tell us we must choose to follow God," can be understood in the light of God's sovereignty over salvation (that is, as much as one can understand anything about God).
So, I say all of that to say this: we should be careful to not judge the motives of people who disagree with our theology. We can disagree, and I believe debate can be healthy, but if we are going to do it, let's do it right - by examining the theology, not the theologian.
Every thought is a seed. If you plant crab apples don't count on harvesting Golden Delicious. - Author Unknown