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A break from commas

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:35 pm
by Anja
I’ll come back to commas next week, but for today, I want to talk about possessives and pronouns.

Jan has already talked about it’s and its, so I’ll cover the other bugaboos in the same category. I see these errors every single day... it’s a HUGE area of misunderstanding and misuse.

The Possessive Case

Personal and relative pronouns form their own possessives WITHOUT THE APOSTROPHE.

Its, yours, theirs, ours, and whose.... DO NOT add an apostrophe. These words already are in the possessive form.

There are NO such words as your’s, their’s, her’s and our’s.


The exceptions are it’s and who’s, but these words are CONTRACTIONS for it is and who is.

So, “The dog licked it’s leg” is incorrect.

The girl who’s jacket is yellow is a skater is incorrect.



When the possessive words my, our, your, her, his, its, and their modify nouns or GERUNDS, they are called POSSESSIVE ADJECTIVES.

My sewing machine is on the table. (Straightforward.)

I appreciate your picking up the mail for me.

Do NOT say, “I appreciate YOU picking up the mail for me.”

Picking is a GERUND, in other words, a NOUN formed from a VERB. So, “your” must be an adjective, not a noun. The verb in the sentence is “appreciate” not “picking” even though it looks like a verb.


Follow this pattern for all gerunds...

I am happy to hear of Sheri’s recovering from her accident.

Recovering - gerund.
Sheri’s - possessive.
NOT “Sheri recovering.”

My being late had no bearing on the outcome.

Being - gerund.
My - possessive.
NOT “Me being late...”

Clear as mud?

Try these... Hopefully, contrived mistakes (and lack of creativity) will help you understand HOW and WHY to use possessive pronouns and nouns properly.

One of my favourite thing’s is doing the laundry. Its relaxing to me, and nothing makes me happier than me hanging cloths in the sunshine. My neighbour who’s husband is a truck driver says she doesn’t have time, so she dries her’s in a dryer. I love the way our’s smell so fresh, not perfumed like their’s. I learned to love laundry from my grandmother. She’d laugh at me swirling the sudsy water with my fingers. Her’s were red and raw at days end, with them having so much laundry and she using homemade soap.

(Thirteen errors... one is a spelling error, one I see often, and some are apostrophe errors.)

I will be covering GERUNDS and other VERBALS, but this should be easy enough.

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:29 pm
by GreenLeaves
Okay, here is my try at this:

One of my favorite things is doing the laundry. It's relaxing to me, and nothing makes me happier than hanging clothes in the sunshine. My neighbor, whose husband is a truck driver, says she doesn't have time, so she dries hers in a dryer. I love the way ours smell so fresh, not perfumed like theirs. I learned to love laundry from my grandmother. She'd laugh at my swirling the sudsy water with my fingers. Her fingers were red and raw at days end, having so much laundry and using homemade soap.


Carol Penhorwood

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:44 pm
by GreenLeaves
Personally, I found the gerunds and possessive part of your lesson difficult. I admit I have been out of school a very long time....

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:35 pm
by JesusPuppy
One of my favorite things, is doing the laundry. It's relaxing to me, and nothing makes me happier than me hanging cloths in the sunshine. My neighbor, whose husband is a truck driver, says she doesn't have time, so she dries hers in a dryer. I love the way ours smells so fresh, not perfumed like theirs. I learned to love laundry from my grandmother. She’d laugh at me, swirling the sudsy water with my fingers. Hers were red and raw at day's end, with them having so much laundry and her using homemade soap.

Writing

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:39 pm
by browniesgal
I will try this tomorrow. I, like Carol, find I have forgotten much. I had totally forgotten what a gerund was. Thank you for the lessons Ann.
Ruth B

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:19 pm
by Anja
Green Leaves wrote:Personally, I found the gerunds and possessive part of your lesson difficult. I admit I have been out of school a very long time....
Please don't stress about these things.

It's more important to discover "patterns"... and soon it will be natural. You'll hear it.

I'm running out the door... I'll come back later and try to clarify gerunds without giving a lesson on gerunds.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:33 pm
by GreenLeaves
Thanks, I really feel like I am absorbing so much. If you don't hear from me, it is because for some reason, I didn't receive the information that there was a NEW post. I don't know why that happens some times.

But I WANT to be a part of it ALL.

Carol Penhorwood

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:14 pm
by Anja
Green Leaves wrote:Thanks, I really feel like I am absorbing so much. If you don't hear from me, it is because for some reason, I didn't receive the information that there was a NEW post. I don't know why that happens some times.

But I WANT to be a part of it ALL.

Carol Penhorwood
Thank you, Carol, for coming and wanting to work on your grammar.

I don't get notification of new posts either, and I have a busy and unpredictable, but very happy, LIFE. I don't get here as often as I should.

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:19 pm
by GreenLeaves
It's nice to know there is no huge pressure! I feel like I too have a lot of irons in the fire and my kids are grown. I'm just trying to keep up and keep growing, continue learning.

Thanks, Anja.

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:03 pm
by Cajunluvie
One of my favorite things is doing the laundry because it is a relaxing activity for me. Nothing makes me happier than when I hang clothes in the sunshine. My neighbor's husband, who is a truck driver, tells me she does not have time so she puts the clothes in a dryer. I love the way ours smells so fresh unlike theirs that smells too much of perfume. I learned to love doing the laundry from my grandmother. She would laugh at me swirling the sudsy water with my fingers. Hers were red and raw at day's end because of the homemade soap she used with the amount of laundry that she did.

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:53 pm
by Anja
Green Leaves wrote:Okay, here is my try at this:

One of my favorite things is doing the laundry. It's relaxing to me, and nothing makes me happier than hanging clothes in the sunshine. My neighbor, whose husband is a truck driver, says she doesn't have time, so she dries hers in a dryer. I love the way ours smell so fresh, not perfumed like theirs. I learned to love laundry from my grandmother. She'd laugh at my swirling the sudsy water with my fingers. Her fingers were red and raw at days end, having so much laundry and using homemade soap.
Great, Carol.

I'm not going to make you search for the one missing apostrophe.

day's end

I'm sure you are aware that I often used the incorrect pronoun, hoping to see some changed to possessive pronouns. You made good corrections, though, without 'biting' many of those specific 'errors.'

One example... (and posted for everyone who chose alternate corrections... WHATEVER works for you is fine.)

Hers were red and raw at day's end, with their having so much laundry and her (or Gramma's) using homemade soap

Congratulations for finding the spelling error... clothes

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:00 pm
by Anja
JesusPuppy wrote:One of my favorite things, is doing the laundry. It's relaxing to me, and nothing makes me happier than me hanging cloths in the sunshine. My neighbor, whose husband is a truck driver, says she doesn't have time, so she dries hers in a dryer. I love the way ours smells so fresh, not perfumed like theirs. I learned to love laundry from my grandmother. She’d laugh at me, swirling the sudsy water with my fingers. Hers were red and raw at day's end, with them having so much laundry and her using homemade soap.
Good, JesusPuppy!

Some suggestions...

Delete the comma in the first sentence.

...my hanging clothes in the sunshine.

She’d laugh at my swirling the sudsy water with my fingers.

However, your correction of that sentence would have been great, with a little more renovation. As you wrote it, it is unclear whose fingers are swirling in the water, as Gramma was the subject of the introductory clause.

She’d laugh at me, as I swirled the sudsy water with my fingers.

This would have worked, if you really wanted the added comma, and to be honest, it's not necessary, except for slight emphasis, in this case.

And, finally...

...with their having so much laundry...

Good job!!

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:02 pm
by glorybee
[quote="Anja]I don't get notification of new posts either, and I have a busy and unpredictable, but very happy, LIFE. I don't get here as often as I should.[/quote]

There a box you can click when you start the thread, at the very bottom of that greyish text area. It says "Notify me when a reply is posted", and you'll get an e-mail when people submit here.

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:37 pm
by GreenLeaves
I feel really dumb here. But I'm not seeing what Jan's talking about so I don't miss a post. Can someone help me out?

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:39 pm
by GreenLeaves
Oh, I see that now. It's under where I just posted my note, but I STILL don't always get notification even though I have that checked.